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Episode 2 · 2 years ago

S02E02: (Par)entrepreneurs: Mom Camp

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Aubrey interviews the founders of Mom Camp about the difficulties of starting a business and their First Attempt In Learning. Col shares his CaronActivity Book, guaranteed to buy you 15 minutes of quarantine peace and quiet.

Welcome back. We are up and running live on season two of accidental parenting, and I want to start with the bit of a public service announcement, a little notice, a disclaimer. With coronavirus being all the rage right now, he would we say all the rage of positive kind of that's true. Okay, so, with coronavirus, virus being like all over the place right now, everywhere, everywhere, right now, you know, we wanted to address it with our listeners and we've thought long and hard about the best way to do this and you know, sending an email out to everyone just seemed a little bit impersonal. So I just wanted to address it here. We at accidental parenting take coronavirus seriously. It's with your safety in mind that we take extra measures to wipe down and sanitize all of our recording equipment and workspaces before and after each recording session. Will Continue to update our listeners on additional safety measures that we are taking, but they're really happy to know that. Just wanted to get that out of the way right and and you know, we should email that to every might email it's everyone. We May. I'll keep that in my back pocket. There you go. So yeah, we have. We have an interview for you today, which we'll get to in a minute, but first, Cole has been working on something exciting. I have we're going to share with you. Tell us about it. Well, it's important to us, and I'm reading this off of my script, it's important to us that accidental parenting serves as a valuable resource for parents during this time of uncertainty in our society. It's with that in mind and that spirit of teamwork and together is that we offer covid nineteen, a corona activity and guide book for kids. This will be a free, downloadable resource that parents across the world will have access to, and we share this resource to encourage you and, you know, provide you a glimmer of hope and how to talk about coronavirus with your kids and hopefully keep them busy for about fifteen minutes so you can have some peace and quiet. There can go. Plus, it's hilarious and it's and it's hilarious. We're going to share the details about where you can find what do I call it? I call it where you can find tivity. But yes, covid nineteen, a corona activity book, details about where you can find that at the end of the podcast. But before we do that, last week we to give away sweet we are. So we gave away. We're giving away a box of sweeties, sweets cookies. We interviewed Giffen last week. Go back and listen to episode one if you missed it, and we drew a winner today, winner, winner, and the winner was lizzie sheep. Big, big call out to Lizzie sheep. Yeah, so we are going to ship them a box of cookies because, unlucky for us, they're one of the only people who signed up for this giveaway that's out of state. But lucky you will, but lucky for her it's not that far shipping for her. Chipping can't be that much. It might cost more to ship these cookies than it does to actually buy the courrious Leigh Hashtag. Worth it. Definitely. Where's it for all of those? What five people that participated in our giveaway? Right, beautiful. So we'll be sending those off to Liz and you never know, there might be some more giveaways coming. So let's talk for a few minutes before we get into the interview. Let's talk about Easter, because this last weekend was Easter. Was Happy Easter. Everyone Happy Coronavirus Easter. It was definitely a different being a coronavirus. Yeah, super low key. He's less, significantly less family parties. We did a Zoom Party with Cole's family. It's a little yeah, Zum Chat, kind of a simple meal. Yeah, we did Hammond potatoes, but, like you know, just kind of just kind of simple, little, laid back. It's interesting because this weekend I got so sick of hearing the kids argue. People were worried there for a second I got so sad. No, just hears argue. Feeling much better now. Yeah, I got so sick of hearing the kids argue that they were like five or six times that. I said, okay, so I'm going in the other room. I'm shedding the door. I just don't want to hear you. You just need to stop. This coronavirus is really getting to me. Yeah, it's. It's you're on your last nerve. Will saying I really I love that you're not speaking for yourself. You're just like yes, it is really getting to you. I mean it's getting to me, but I feel like you escape it in a different way. You. I don't know, because most of the day. You have your headphones in listening to podcasts. So and I so and I ignore them if they're screaming. Yeah, you can't here, turn the volume up. That's not fair. I mean you can listen to podcasts. Could I could. I also, I get paranoid that they don't clean up after themselves or not. Doesn't bar at...

...wrong word, but it drives me in silly bother you. Yeah, how'd you like that tonight when our oldest spilled the rice all over the kitchen? Oh Yeah, she made dinner which was awesome, and shed yeah, good, great. She made this like pork Brucoli Rice Terry hokey thing and she was in the middle of cooking and she pulled rice out from the cupboard above and busted open or something and just poured. Right. She's pretty. She said she was putting it away and sudden put the let's build the bag and the container and it was like what, like two cups of rice. Wedding celebration of throwing right, happy anniversary. Right. Speaking of weddings, coronavirus weddings, people are doing this online virtual I saw a picture of a Waddy ride in a groom with a mask on yeah, which is like good memorable for him. Yeah, yeah, and I just think, okay, so there's there's not really a honeymoon because you can't go anywhere right now. The honeymoon is like this. That would be the best situation for like you're stuck inside your quarantined if your brand new married, you don't want to go anywhere anyway. You just want to hang out together. Your friends can't complain that you're not sure with them because you just got married and don't want to hang out with them because you can't. It's a stay at home order, but of ideal. At the same time. You're going to figure out real quick whether you like each other, and I think they're probably like each other. I'm just saying, though, like twenty four seven, no break, no one's going to work. It's it's would be a tough adjustment. Quite the adjustment. It's a tough adjustment for everyone, it is. It helped a little bit that you were already working from home. I was already working from home. We were around each other at ton, but I think couples who normally work full time outside of the home, this is a huge adjustment to both be home and, as I think some people are driving each other crazy. For sure, I think so. We just avoid each other, so that helps. Still her up in your office. You May as well not be here most of the day. Well, you and you have your bods and you may as well not be here most the day. All right, let's talk about this interview. Yeah, it's a good one. I need to edit. I was just listening to it and this zoom as being crazy, I think just because so many people are online. So the audio is kind of crazy. I'm going to see if I can edit a little bit and clean it up a little bit. But it's a good interview. Our good friend, Aaron Colby, that we met when we were living in New York City and then they moved here for dental school. I got with him here and then they moved to San Diego and she and her good friends started a business and we're going to talk to them both about it. All right. Yeah, I'm excited to hear it. All right, let's start these few okay, hello everybody. We're episode two of our second season and I'm really excited for this one. We have a fun interview with a good friend of mine, Aaron Coleby. We were good friends in New York City and we're still good friends today, even though she lives in California. Want to say Hieron. Hey, guys, happy here? Yes, welcome to the PODCAST, and this is the first time over Zoom I've interviewed to people. We also have Aaron's good friend and business partner, Bree Hepworth. Welcome to the PODCAST, Brie. Thank you. I was just telling bree that people often call me bree, but usually on the phone. Someone I don't know if I if I like, make an order for carry out and they asked my name and I say Aubrey and they say bree and I say yes, and I think it's because they think I said bree, like maybe I'm making it up. It's not really my name and I'm not going to give you my real name, breeze, my fake name. I love them drink people when I, you know, get my name wrong. No Way, would you right? They don't care. Yes, yes, exactly, whatever they say. That is exactly right. Okay, I'm going to introduce you, guys, by asking you first a really random question. Are and if you'd like to answer first, I would like to know when is the last time you washed your hair. Oh well, I hate to wash my hair. HMM, I'm trying to think of it was yesterday, it was probably the day before actually. Okay, something at home, exerciseses, and so then I get sweaty and gross and I guess if I get to a really gross point I will indeed wash my hair. So it's not horrible right now. I've got longer, that is for sure. I know a lot of people say that if you go a certain amount of time that you don't need to anymore, like you get the natural. That's never happened for me. I will go a very long time and no, it just gets worse, just gross. Yeah, yeah, problematic, and I haven't done like the dry shampoo. Everyone's like, oh, it's fine as long as you have dry shampoo, and I just haven't gotten into that yet. But I think that would help the longevity of not showering, which I am an exciting idea rate that would love to not have to. But I hate dry shampoo. It makes it feels so dirty and it does like stuff. I don't like the feeling of gunk in my hair. So yeah, it's not like it makes it all go. It just feels like you have now covered it with junk.

I know, I don't curious if you like it. I do not. What about your breath? How long as I know about showering? I Hate Dry shampose what I showered today? I don't. I don't think I've gone longer than maybe a week. You Wash your hair every time you shower? Yeah, yeah, no, well now, no, not you. I'll, I'll wash it like maybe three time tames a week, but I don't really go that long without it because I don't like dry shampoo. I hate the way it smells. Most of them junk right. Yeah, yeah, it's just gross. So I yeah, I usually wash my hair a lot, which I know is like not the trend right now, but I know it's beak because it's really bad for your hair. Right. So all of us have probably really unhealthy hair, but I just can't do it. Okay, so I'm going to make some assumptions about you guys. Aaron, first, I think your favorite dessert is key lime pie. Oh, I like sugar in all forms, every sugar, but no, that's not my favorite. It's a really good right now. Okay, what's your favorite? I really like chocolate mint brownies. Oh, that sounds really good and I really like mango sticky rice. Oh, yes, at a Ti restaurant, of course. Yes, that's one of my favorites and it's feels healthy because there's main goo. Yeah, also, every time we eat, like at a Thai restaurant, my husband's like you're going to finish your rice meal off with some rice? Ya, Ya, I am some rice with sugar on it. I am exactly what's happening. All right, bree what about you? Oh, that's me. I'm going to I'm going to guess. I think your favorite dessert is cookies, chocolate chip cookie it is. You've got it. I never get these rights. Yeah, I was going to say here, guessed Aaron's for me. I was like, I'm not a fan of Pie, any kind of Pie, but it has to be a really good chocolate chip cookie, and I'm I'm a big Fan, like all the you know, all the cookie places that are popping up now to have the giant, big cookies. So good, good with vanilla ice cream. Yes, that's the way to have it. Last week we have interviewed my friend Giffen. She owns sweeties cookies with the partners, and their cookies are amazing. When you guys are in Arizona, you need to check them out. Their chocolate chip cookies so good, so good. I'm a huge cookie person, so I'm there, Sweetie. Are Right, let's go. That's a date. You guys come hang out and we'll all go together. All about it. Okay, okay, Um, do another one of these. I am going to guess that your guilty pleasure TV show, Aaron, is the batchelor, though. That would be mine. Yeah, it's I totally watch the bachelor and yeah, Mike want to. There is like a cool club in my neighborhood that watches the bachelor. Reason it, I think. You came one time and we're so cool girls. Too Bad. I came the one time and I'm found myself sort of like making fun of them, and then I was like why am I being so made like? These women like love that, and of course they make fun of him too, but I'm like, anyway, yeah, I try to watch it. If Coles there, forget it. He makes fun of show, he makes fun of me. I'm like go do something with yeah, see, I was yeah, I was cold in that scenario. So I can't be part of the cool girl club. Yeah, it's not. Okay, one more. I love it, not mea all right, last question. When you were a kid, bree, you first you wanted to be. When you grew up, you wanted to be an a neurosurgeon, sort of. I mean I wanted to be a vet so, you know, a doctor tight brain surgery on dogs. Yeah, but then I realized that you don't see healthy pets, you see sick pets, and that was really sad. So I changed that real quick, like real real quick. You just wanted to be like a dog walker, like I want to hang out with healthy pets. Yeah, the happy ones, you know. But yeah, okay. What about you, Aaron? Let me guess. I think when you grew up, you wanted to be, HMM, an actress thing. Yes, I actually had a little inside info about that, didn't I? I did, I do. I still do. Is that? I still do? You've can be an old actress and I'm going, yes, I still, I still have hopes. You've got the Middle Age rolls to look forward to. Yeah, it and the old lady and the Old Lady Rolls. You know, I love any I'm excited. Okay, so we I want to talk to you...

...guys about Your Business. We are doing the series where we're talking about MOM's, talking to MOMS who started businesses and and we want to know like, how did you do it? What was it like? And so first tell me briefly about each of your families, where you live, how many kids you have. I am Aaron. We live in the San Diego area. My husband's a dentist and so we moved from Arizona, where the carders were here about five years ago and we have four girls. So it's just constantly a girl club and we love it here. It's great. Okay, what about you, bree? You live close together your neighbors, right? Yeah, so I live right down the street from Aaron. Before we bought a house here, we would always go over to their house and we joke, Oh, how fun would it be if we moved in here and then we are looking at houses and that was, you know, right down the street. So it was meant to be. So yeah, so I have three little kids. I was born and raised in San Diego, so this was kind of like moving back home. We moved from Connecticut and yeah, four and a half year old, two and a half year old and the nine month old chaos all the time. It's loud in chaos, but it's great. I do love it. They're they're fine, they're awesome kids. Will Talk Specifics about your business in a minute. But for both of you, did you always consider starting a business, like, were you always in t interested in entrepreneurship, or did that kind of come out of the blue? I grew up with in entrepreneur father, and so to me was like a bit of the norm, but that's what you did. You looked for an idea and you had your own business and my dad never had a nine hundred and twenty five. So he was always we always jokes like he was always there, like he was a every sporting event, every everything, but he wasn't really like they're there, because he was like honest phone, like always working with phnically, but always working. And so yeah, I've always loved the idea of having your own business and working for yourself and I've always loved idea and come up with several ideas along the way. Not that I've done any of them necessarily, but I there's still time. You're going to be a middle aged actress and multiple businesses, to do it all at once. No way exactly. What about you breed? Did you always see yourself as owning a business? Yes, I mean I my background is in advertising and graphic design, and so in that field, I mean you always have a side project, something going on for yourself, and I mean just honestly, being around creative people seven kind of just instills that in you of what are you going to create next? What are you going to do? What idea do you have? What are you doing to pursue that idea? And so for me, I've always wanted to, you know, do something on my own. I freelance as well, so I mean it's kind of just a natural thing to just kind of think, okay, what's next, what's what's the next big big idea and big project? So that's what I do freelance. I'm a graphic designer and okay, so I did branding design for people, so logos, any sort of branding, websites, all that kind of fun stuff. Okay, awesome, really at it. So I'm guessing you did the marketing and branding for this business we're going to chat about. I did names, okay, so tell us about it. What was the name? And there's a little spoiler alert, which you're probably hearing from my was that Aaron let me know that it's sort of been dissolved. So tell us about that. But first, yeah, what's the name of it? How did it work? So we started mom camp, was the name of our business, and when Aubrey called and asked to interview us on the podcast, I was like, AH, well, it's really not happening anymore. MOM camps not happening. But if you want to fail story, you know then, which I did, like yes, Lee's yeah, and you know, as I as I thought about that, actually they I thought, if you know anything about entrepreneurship, like nine out of ten of your business ideas don't work. And so how many podcasts or how many books do you read about successful businesses, which is really good and really inspiring and how to? But Hey, will be the one that lets you know that we tried something that, for the time being, didn't necessarily work for one reason or another. But so at first, how did it work? Because I knew, like I wanted to come, I wanted to come to a surfing mom camp, I wanted to do a volleyball mom camp if I weren't in Arizona. I would have been in for every one of these camps because that's you're so fun. I'm I am so but it was such a good idea. I love...

...the idea. I wanted to meet more friends and have my kids taken care of and have it just relaxing weekend. So yes, so the idea, if you don't mind, Brey ull till like the beginning part of it and then you poke for that. Cool. It was kind of borne out of jealousy of my own children. I was shoveling them around to like theater camp and swim camp and then I would really wanted them to do surf camp and they didn't want to and, you know, they'd kind of complain along the way and I was finding myself like jealous of them. You know. I was like, Oh, you get all these opportunities, like I would love to be in a theater camp and like go for two weeks and then put on a show, like you've been all day long working on a show and then like at the end of two weeks, but on a show, like to me that's a dream. Or like swimming, where it we do triathlons, and so I'm like, oh my gosh, can you imagine how good I would get if I got to go every single day of the summer to Swim Camp? You know, it's amazing. So it was sort of like born out of jealousy in that way where I was like, you know, we need something for Moms, we need like a camp as something that we can do. And Yeah, breathe pipe in there. Yeah, I mean, so we were on a bike ride one day actually, and it was like one of the only chances that we had to get out because we're both so busy, and so we were both riding our bikes and she was like, okay, I have this idea. It's kind of crazy, but what do you think? And she pitched, you know, the idea to long for mom camp to me and there's like Hey, I'm in, let's do it, let's start it. And I mean the whole idea is you just don't have time to do anything for yourself as a mom, and it's not even I don't know, it's not that you don't have time, but you don't make time and that's really hard. And you know you you make time for everybody else in your life because you know as a mom you are a helper a lot. You know, you serve other people and you think about other people's needs all the time, but it's also really important to take care of yourself and that's just not really done a lot as a mom and you just it always just gets put on the back burner, and so we were kind of thinking, how great would it be if here's something, it's scheduled, it's planned for you. All you have to do is show up, and so that's you know, that's kind of where it came from and it was, it really was, you know, on the bike ride. Man, it would be nice if we could do this more often, you know. And wait, I want to do that too. I want to play tennis, I want to surf, I want to learn how to do all these things. And Yeah, so it it really just kind of was from the idea of, you know, there's so many fun things that we wanted to do and there's just never time as a mom, and so we kind of thought, why don't we help make that time for all the moms? What's the first mom camp that you did? Was It surfing? It was surfing, and yeah, I think like I had a huge breek and serf well, but moving to California. It was like one of my big desires, which as I was like I'm on my kids to do surf camp, or like I want to do surf camp, and so that was one of our first ones that we did. We re actually found this amazing instructor. We're able to get several moms together and, you know, he took us out and we really wanted to be like a camp where you're not just going to like go for one time, but you commit. At least that was my initial idea. was like if you could do like two full days in a row where you could really give it some time and some effort, that you might actually like get a little bit better at something, because I feel like that's what the kids were getting in camp. Right. It wasn't like just like a spotty you know, like Oh, you go do a one night paint class or you know, something like that, like you're really going to give it some time and effort enough that you can like fail and then try again and you're putting yourself out there and anyway, the surf camp was so, so, so fun. And if I can like back up a tiny bit, back to just like our our business model, we found that there was so many options for moms to like. I feel like it's pretty common to for MOMS to be like hey, you need a little bit of time for yourself, and you know, mom's need to like take a little time for themselves. I feel like there was a lot of venues for that and we felt like this was a bit of a different thing than that. Like I would my husband would say, Hey, you need a break, go like do something, and I would find myself being like Oh, okay, I'll go, like what? Go to the spot, like, go get a pedicure, and I felt so unfulfilling to me. It was like if I wasn't with my kids, like doing what was really important to me, that I'm just like blowing off time, like getting a pedicure or something's...

...not enough time to get past the mom guilt, like you're getting it as the mom guilt when it's time to go back. Yeah, there's such a big trend on, you know thing, doing things to improve yourself, right, but there's not a lot of things that are active, you know, and it's just it's taking time to get your nails done or read a book or you know, it's just in that's not bad stuff, but there's not a lot of options for, you know, doing something physical for yourself, and so that was kind of a gap in the market that we saw of, you know, and even we were talking about there's a lot of podcasts and stuff out there or self help books, and there's just there's there's things that you can do for yourself, but there's just there's not a lot of active resources. And Yeah, I know it's really true, like you can go running or you can maybe try to find people to do like a sport, but it's really difficult actually as a mom, to like find the people to do it with and to organize all the in so you just don't, you just don't ever do it. And it's like you can, you can be that one person who's like, and you are Aubredy, that person who's I put together the party, put together the tennis match, put together the pick a ball, like like little bitter person. But there are so many moms who like we would talk to about this, you know. And the other thing is that we're raising people right, like our idea is to raise whole people, and we're asking our kids, like go put yourself out there in this camp and they're like it's kind of scary and we're like you'll be fine, but like what do we do to model that? We do nothing. We drive them there. And so for me it was like I loved when my kids saw me serving. Even my little list should be like mommy falls down, mommy falls down, mom falls down, and I was like, oh my gosh, this is or I would come back and my older kids they'd say, so, do you know how to serve now, and I'd be like well, no, I went for one day, you know, and they're like well, yeah, and I'm like just like I tell you, you have to continue to practice and like no, I spent the entire day getting trashed by waves. I probably won't learn how to surf in the next two days. But it was such a great conversation I felt empowered to get away and do something for myself. I felt it helped me be a mom to come back and have those talking points and then to like exemplify what I'm telling them to do every day. Like go to a new school. That's super scary. But what do we do to put ourselves in that situation so that we can model that for our kids? And that's where like getting a pedicure is not going to do it and going to a spot is not going to do it. That teaches our kids that we need a break from all the hectic and it doesn't teach our kids like, no, we need a break to go like make sure that we're being who we're supposed to be and teaching you how to be a whole person to so I was kind of that's where our passion kind of lied, was that it would make you a better mom. You'd come back more fulfilled if you were becoming a whole person and modeling that for your kids. Definitely, and just to show them you can keep growing, you can keep learning. You know it's not done once your mom and then you just serving through your kids. Right now, what was my taglinebry? That got shot down in marketing. It was my favorite, wasn't it? Growing up, we grow up brow. Yeah, nobody liked it. Marketing shot it down, but I wanted it to be mom camp, grow up, because you know, we're telling our kids to grow up and like we need to grow up, step up. I thought it was a little edgy, but anything like it. So was marketing department, Brie, or did you have more people and wealth. You say marketing. The marketing the marketing person who shot when down was your husband. Right. Survey. We did a survey. Okay, got more like get input. It felt like a little bit offended by that and as like yeah right, buddy, grow up. Okay. So you did a bunch of it. You did a tennis one, I remember, and our art like painting. What other mom camps did you do? So we had surfing, we had a painting class, we did tennis ball and horseback riding. Volleyball and horseback riding. Awesome. And how did you get the word out? How did you market? How did you get mom's to sign up? The first couple were, you know, friends, because we wanted to test out, because the thing was, and I mean both airn and I had of you know, high standards of like, if we're going to do this, we want it to be good and we want it to be worth your time and worth your money and you know, we wanted to do it right, and so the first couple camps we were kind of vetting the instructors and kind of testing it out and seeing what worked and what didn't work. And so the first couple were through friends, and then it kind of became friends of friends...

...and after that and after we kind of set up our schedule and said, okay, this is what works, this is what we like. Then we expanded it into a website and, you know, created and instagram account and a facebook page to kind of house all that information and, you know, just did get some typical stuff through there, like facebook and instagram ads and stuff like that. But then we also, I mean as a mom, I think one of the biggest things that you listen to our recommendations right. You know, you can read something online and it's like, okay, that might be great, but if you hear that your friend likes it, done so you'll do it. And so a lot of our marketing was really through word of mouth with people, and if someone liked it, then we had two or three of their friends want to come do it next sin, especially because it's like with something like surfing. So many moms were terrified to go surf but after he daring, no, it was awesome, it was fun, it was great, then they would try it. Yeah, yeah, so then what happened? Like why? I'm so I'm still kind of in shock, because I love the idea. I want to go to every one of them, and I called air and all excited and to hear her, you know, kind of maybe put on hold. Maybe there's a chance that it'll still get going in the future. There is, I think. I mean good, it's set up. It's all set up and it could easily be and we'll get will get more into like the fail but the bottom line is there are only three adventurous people in this world and it's US three. I was your target audience, I am your ideal customer, that you were only one. No, I'm just not enough interest and not enough mom's that will spend money on themselves. You know, I think what was the most heartbreaking thing for me, like what was the hardest thing for me to take, was that if we were personally, and you know this is like I feel like we couldn't tell our story in a succinct enough way without like ourselves there, you know what I mean, like to put it on like a ten second add or like a poster or a flyer, like to get the passion and the story and assuccinct enough way that they understood what mom camp was right. Like it's not just like Oh, go learn to play tennis or like Oh, go do something for yourself. Like to us, there's more underneath that about like, like I said, like modeling these things to your children and becoming like a more whole person and you know, these kinds of things. So that was really tough. But it was heartbreaking for me was that when we would go to events that were live and we would talk to people about it, you would feel like this kinship between this mom where they're like, oh my gosh, like this the best idea, this is the best idea, or like I need this so bad and it's that's different, like it was a different feeling than like totally, we should go to the spa this weekend, or like let's get it was a different feeling. It was like Oh, like I need this, and then we couldn't close the deal. It was like they couldn't. And for sure, partly, you know, it was a new business and for us just like learning, but it was like just getting them to step away from their lives. We know as MOM's, like our lives are so scheduled and it is so difficult to step away from your life, and so it's just that like on the spot, like just do it, man. And they were like you can't like step away from your life and plant. You know, it's like child's care and kid drop off and pick up and there's a lot of moving parts that were out of our control that stopped mom's from doing it. But it was sad because it wasn't like you were selling them a product that they didn't want. You could feel from their heart that like it was something they needed and wanted and then it just often times wouldn't come. I can really see that, like if I imagine taking more than a few hours, like I'll go and play pickle ball or sand volleyball for a couple of hours, and to leave for longer than that take so much preparation to figure out you know what's going to go with the kids and how are you going to get them to all the things, and that's difficult for any parent for sure. So that's tricky. This part was logistics like area. There were so many moving parts and a lot of times we would meet people who would love it and who would want to surf, but they can't serve on Saturdays. You know, Tuesdays in the afternoon work better, but you know we have the volleyball camp is on Tuesday and but they're don't want to do volleyball. I mean, there's so many different things and I think that's where we kind of ran into a problem. Was it's just we can't schedule at this point. We can't...

...schedule five different surf camps because Aaron and I have to be there, but we also have kids and that's our job too, and that's a full time job in itself. And so we couldn't really throw our full hearts into it because we had other stuff going on and and so we were so limited by the days and the times and be instruct their days and times and then even facility scheduling. And so it was hard because it was there were so, so many moving parts that I think a lot of people thought were interested. The Times just never worked and and so that made it really difficult. And and had it like grown right, like in our mind, if we could have scaled it where you like have enough people to book enough camps, then we could have times for all sorts of things and we had amazing instructors and we had all these things that are all set up. That could have happened, but, like Bray said, and really kind of what you're talking about on this podcast is, you know, how do you, as a mom, start a business? And you know we call this a business fail, but one of my kids teachers, her favorite word is fail. She's a big like growth mindset person and she every time the kids like fail she just clapps for them. But it stands for first attempt in learning. Some of you maybe heard that, and so I have a different mindset about failure as well. That you know, I think it's really not necessarily a failure. It was truly our first attempt to start it. But that being said, we are moms with three and four kids. Brave was pregnant at the time, and you kind of that we came to this point where it was like it's time to invest more money and more of ourselves, like we've taken it as far as we can on word of mouth and spreading as far as we can, and so now we need to like decide are we going to invest money and more time or are we not? And for us, at that point in our lives, with free having a baby and we having four kids, we just thought we have it all set up and it would easily be revived. But at this time, like it's just too hard. Gotcha. So definitely potential for in the future if, you know, if you were able to get investors even or, you know, if I feel like there's so many little things that could click into place and it would just be going like gangbusters. You know, yeah, sure, I mean, yeah, there's heart is yeah, there's a time and season for everything, right, you know, and it's just, I mean I we were doing surf camps when I was seven months pregnant, I think, and so you couldn't get on board with them. I was very jealless. But you know, it's just it wasn't the right time. And it was for us. I mean it was obviously meant to be that we set it up and we had that experience together and we did it and I do believe that, you know, it was meant to happen and we were meant to have that experience. But there is a time and season for everything and it just isn't the right time. I mean we both we both were totally fine with shelving it because I think both of us just felt like, you know, we couldn't give everything that we needed to to grow it. As a as a perfectionist, I hate failing and I hate quitting something like I don't I don't quit. Ever, and me and we didn't say that we would because we couldn't take it right. We're not, we're not done, done, or just like you're just going to have your baby right now, right, yeah, and then you know, we're on. So I think it's and I think that's why neither of us were really sad to stop, because it just it felt right. And I mean we still talk about it. We're like, you know, if we want to do another painting camp, let's do it, you know, and it's just there's there's all these being busy with other stuff and, you know, putting her for in other places, you know, and it's just it just wasn't the right time to continue it because all of our effort needed to go to, you know, other places at the time. I don't know if you know Gail Miller. She is like a billionaire and she was married to Larry Miller, who like started all these Toyota dealerships. Yes, and I read her biography. It was or autobiography actually she wrote it, but she raised I don't even know how Maney, I'll probably say it wrong. You've probably all your listeners have probably read this book. But she had like what eight kids? She supported Larry and his business and he, you know, had this amazing business. and Larry died when he was...

...maybe fifty six of diabetes, and she took over this company and then t next it. Wow, she's a billionaire and she didn't go to college. She was a stayathome mom, she you know, and Larry would come home. She knew the INS and outs of the business through like him coming and talking about it. But she said something really profound which was and this isn't for everyone. I'm not necessarily preaching this, but it resonated with me at this time of my life, which was there are different seasons for things, that when you have children you should devote your time to your kids. You don't have to do everything in that twenty year period where you have kids and when they're growing up and which and and when I thought about that, I was like, yeah, she started a multibillion dollar company t next it when she was almost sixty years old. Yeah, her kids are grown. Her kids were grown, and I mean that's what happened for her. But I think sometimes we get this small mindset of like get married, have kids and do the business and do the house work and homeschool your kids and it's like can you? There are so many who can do that all at once and they are special people and I love them for it. But it made me step back and just think, like is this mom and business thing for everyone? And do you have to do it all at the same time? Yeah, and, you know, just for and that's different for every person. But I thought you can still be so successful as a mother and then be successful as an entrepreneur and you don't have to feel bad about not doing it all at once. Yeah, I love also the not only are you setting an example for your kids, for all kids, about trying and, you know, keeping at something, but what what you do after you fail? Right, you do you? You know, what attitude do you have? Do You keep trying other things? And that alone, if for nothing else, for your kids to have seen you try this, have this idea and go for it. That is huge, you know, just to have that example and to see that. And Brie, I know Aaron mentioned that you're starting a new business right so just see that, to see someone like you know what, let's try something else and lets give like that that mindset. What is the business that you're starting up? It's not it's not a great time for it, considering all the coronavirus stuff that's going on, because it is a children's travel business, travel business, so really great time. But I'm just looking at it as a blessing because now I can get everything set up and ready to go and yeah, once we're past this, we're will be ready to travel. Everyone Act exactly. So maybe it'll work out. Maybe it's meant to be that way. But what does it called? Da have a name for this. Yeah, so it's called many voyager and we create kind of custom curated kits for kids for when they travel, because parents are so stressed when they travel with kids. And my husband and I actually love it. We've taken our kids on twelve hour flights and we're fine with it. We enjoy it, and so that is shocking to me, because kids on flights, that's the worst. You have to have something different for every fifteen minutes when they're really young. So so we kind of feel like it's you're already stressed when you're traveling, and so why add to the stress of Oh my gosh, I am I in erranting my kids. If it's a car ride, what are they going to do every thirty minutes? And so we have kits that kind of just have some unique activities and stuff for kids to do that parents wouldn't really think of and it just gets packed that ship to your door, throw it in your kids bag and they're going to go oh, I love that idea. Sometimes my wife we're going to go on a trip, even if we're just driving to San Diego. Sometimes my mother in law would give them like a little, I don't know, lunch box with some step in it, and it was always something that I had never thought about having them use in the car or so you know. It's just so interesting, how and I'm sure I'd be the same. You'd ship this to me and I would be like, why didn't I think of all this amazing stuff? Because there's so much out there that you don't know about, for sure. Yeah, and there's so many things, like you said, you just don't think of or you just don't have the time to go get. It's like that would be amazing if I had an extra day, but I mean, let's get real. How many of us pack a few days? You know, before our treads more. Not Me Right. So by a time you think of stuff, you're like boy, I can't go get it, and and times that by like how many kids you have, all the different aid it's right, like that's is that Redford? I can...

...hear barking. That's my dog. Oh you're not. Yeah, but it was errands. I'm dead over here a sleep. Well you guys. This has been so interesting. I'm so interested in everything that goes into starting a business and how you do it with kids. Like I am kind of wondering now that things have slowed down a little bit for your new business, breed because of coronavirus, and for mom camp, just because you're kind of on hold with that, do you find yourself making the time that you have more worthwhile with your kids? Or I don't know, like how's it? How has it been transitioning to having more time, more mom time? It's so interesting. I feel like everything that I was doing fell off the planet right like I had some responsibilities at church and all of that's not happening anymore as we're not gathering, and I had responsibilities at the kids school. I was directing their playing. We were in the middle of rehearsals, which consumed like so much of my time. I'm all of a sudden that's done. And then living in San Diego, we drive like, if you know California, like you just drive, drive, drive, drive, drive, like you're just on the road all day long, just driving to all sorts of things. All the activities are done. So now we're all in our homes all together and partially homeschooling the kids. Luckily my school for the kids, they're doing zoom calls, so they teach them like the meat of it, and then I'm in charge of all the schedules and it's been like such a blessing to dive in to do things with the kids that we are doing, some more like unique things that we've been wanting to do, and I go personally, for me, I like go back and forth between like this is so fulfilling. I've kind of romanticized like homeschooling, wondering if I could do it, and now I'm like homeschool mom's there's like a special place in heaven for you right, talk about a full, fulltime job, like yeah, literally, I feel like they are sacrificing their whole like life and being to school their kids and in my head I sort of Romanticize, like yeah, I mean homeschooled be great because could get your work done by noon and then we could go like play and go to Disneyland and like, as I see I'm like, oh my gosh, this is I have it all wrong and this is a crazy life. And then I swing back like Oh, I'm so busy with Homeschool, and then I find myself like sort of board to as a as like a mom, or I'm like, I don't even know what I should be doing, like maybe just start a new business right now, something you could do from home. I I'm so freaky. I have these two sides where I'm like, Oh, we're really soaking it up and then like I'm totally bored. Ill the same like myself and bored. I hear you I have kids are but I am. I know the kids are great. They're so happy to have to go to school, like they miss their friends. There are some downsides for sure, but for the most part kids, at least mine, are kind of oblivious to everything going out and in the world. They're just like this is great, we're living our best life, although I have to say my kids did a coronavirus musical today. Oh how was that? Like that, like, is this a parenting fail? Should I not be telling them so much about cover anavirus? You know, their kids are going to be reading history books about how many people died. I mean, having forbid the numbers, hopefully are incorrect, that are coming and they're going to tell their kids like yeah, during that time we wrote this musical about coronavirus and they were like singing and dancing about anyway, I think like maybe maybe we weren't a somber about it as we should have looking back, but it's but I guess my point is, like kids are resilient like that, like they just take what's happening as like truth in their lives and it doesn't like us adults were stressing out and we're scared and the kids aren't. Right, I'm right here. They're pretty resilient and hopeful and happy with whatever. Just pretty cool. Well, thank you, guys, on that note, for being here. It was really interesting to pick your brains. We're going to end with a game. or You guys up for a game? Yeah, baby, yes, okay, we'RE gonna just spelling game. Oh No, the first one will be easy, the first ones for Aaron. I the feeling you need an easy word, Aaron's promise, and then we'll take turns and then we'll play until someone spells on wrong, and then we'll be three. Are you a good seller? I don't know this about you. Um, this is yeah, Oh, this is a hidden talent. Do you have high time you found that out? This about Brie? I'm loving this. Okay, Aaron, your word is illusion. Oh, it's so hard already. Okay, I oh, you S. I go in Nice. You did it excellent. Okay, I'm giving bree one that's a little bit harder, but still doablele but definitely harder. Okay, Brie, and to NIM A and T oh and why am Nice? Oh,...

...she's good. Are In? You're in trouble. So, yes, I could have never done that. Break. It's hard spelling words out loud. I can't write it. No, that's like happen spelling be. If you could, I know you can't, and a spelling be. I know because I was in a lot of them when I was cute little speller feller. But are you are like you're that's quite thanks, your forte. I know. Okay, Aaron, this is your hard one. It's wrong, my heart. Okay, this is your hard one. Moratorium, Oh my gosh, I don't know. You got this. You can do it. M Yes, Oh, are I know? Why? Oh, no, okay, yes, all right, bring your up your AP. I'm okay, don't want to mess up again. That was a tricky one. More Atrium, M or K. Yeah, that yourself. I was. I'm stopping in like drinking hard word. No, I think when I googled one of them, that one was like on like one of the links. I'm like, oh, that's a good one. Okay, for years is difficult. Chrysanthemum. Well, that is one of those ones. It's one of them. It's from Anna Green Gables. She had to spell chrysanthemums. Chrysanthemum, se H, are ys a and th. Oh Gosh, e Mun yeah, all right, press. I almost cheated. I almost held up sign language e when you pause. Didn't. You did it on your own. I'm so impressed. Good. It's a hard one. Okay, this is much lessenkitting. I used to spell words wrong on purpose when they did like spelling, you know, like spelling be stuff and classes and stuff. I don't like being up and because you were shy, you didn't. I know I would, I'm competitive, but I would rather sit in the then not buddy see me. I'd spell words wrong. So this is my much kind of what I was doing before, like right when you intentionally spelled it wrong because you didn't want to move on to the district level. Right, and that's just why. That's why, so bre you're okay with that? I'm going to post the video of this chat right on facebook. Yes, audio only, I promise. No. Well done, spellers, even Aaron. That was a tough word. I think a lot of our listeners are. We're going to you, going to go, MR and they're going to be like yeah, I've no idea. Well, it's fine, whatever. I accept that. Spelling is not my thing, not your thing. You got it. Lots of other things for sure. All Right, thanks for being here, guys. Thank you so much. Enjoy your quarantine. It was fun to see your faces. You too, nice to meet you, bree, thanks me in here. All right. Bye. Well, your word to spell is liberation. Liberation forward or backward, backwards, backward, okay, backwards. It's a backward or backwards. I don't know, I'm stalling thinking about the word Liberation, Liberation, and Oh, I t a R E B Il. Good, but way too much pausing. Oh, come on, that's a good interview, in spite of the weird video glitchy staff. It's good to hear Aaron's voice again now. I miss them. Yeah, there're a lot of how that we're stay at home, Warner, we can't visit them in San Diego. I get your friends. We need to figure out a way to do virtual teach you with them. Yes, that would be amazing. I've heard about all these. In fact, we should explore this for an upcoming episode. They're all these like virtual game apps where you can like do video and games at the same time. I don't know what any inform recalled, but I've heard people talk about them and I think they're all the rage. Well, because they're one stuck at home, so everyone stuck on thing social. Let's look into it. So before we re wrap this up, let's tell a little bit more about this corona activity book. Okay, and activity A. People can find it. Yes, see, you're going to open up your computer, go to web browser, preferably Google Chrome, and you're going to type www dot accidental parentingcom. That's our website. You probably isn't a website. He probably never been there, but we do have a website and need to make it worth US having on the website, because twice now someone has hijacked our credit card and here just multiple go daddy websites with it, domain names. I'm like, why do we even have a website? No one goes there. We only have it so that people can hack our well, now we have a reason for people to go there. Yeah, it's our corona activity and guide bucks. Where you'll find it, and you'll also see our covid nineteen update, our disclaimer...

...that I read at the beginning of this podcast. But if you check out, just scroll down, you'll see the PDF. It's covid nineteen, a corona activity guide book for Kids, and this has such great resources for you to talk about coronavirus, virus with your children, like terms and definitions. What is community spread, social distancing, executive orders, the difference between shelter and place and Quarantine. You'll even have words, searches. I'm scrolling here, Mazes, mazes, some coloring words, scrambles, some really, really great drawing projects and there's some subtle gems hidden in there to try to get your kids to behave a little bit better during this time of awkwardness. So I strongly encourage you to go to accidental parentingcom and check out that document. Yeah, thanks for making that for everyone calls I howbok servant. You know what, it's the least I could do. It is the least you could do, and I may even linked to it on facebook. Oh, there you go. We're down enough for the twitter. Possibly the Graham sat with the kids. Are saying the Graham? I have no idea. Graham cracker? All right, we'll see you guys next time. Enjoy. He's been listening.

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