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Accidental Parenting

Episode 21 · 1 year ago

S01E20: Adoption Law

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Aubrey interviews adoption attorney Tiffany Hill (adoptaz.com) about her experiences completing law school as a young mother and practicing adoption law. They end with a bang as the husbands are brought in to play a couple of rounds of the not-so-newlywed game.

Just before I pressed record abry breathed it really loud into theMicrofi di that in purpose to see, if is right, off Youre Din like acountdown, you know what it reminded me that of though it reminded me of thatone billy elish song, where she's like, like intentionally Brin, andn jent onloudly the bad guy mm, it's pretty good anyway. Today, we've got a really goodepisode. Welcome back to any new listeners. Welcome to any returninglisteners. Welcome back if e recall. Last week we had a really cool episodeon an open adoption. Yes, Rochelle and Jessica were here and talk to us abouttheir open adoption. It was amazing to have them, be so open and willing toshare that story yeah and as a follow up this week, we've got a very specialguest as well someone who we know very well, a very good friend and familymember. We always have to clarify its friend and family, but friend, firsttiffany hill is an a attorney who specializes in adoption, so abry isgoing to be interviewing her coming up and we're really excited to hear howthat goes. Yeah. Let's listen to the interview: Hey Tiffany, welcome to the podcastthanks Havary God, you guys ere willing to make the drive it's kind of a longdrive now that you live so far from us in the valley right, yeaharty. Fiveminutes is really fair, feels like forever yeah, but whenever we drive upthere, I'm always like this really isn't that far. Why, in my mind, is itso far because we live in with kids? You live in the radius right. You livein a two mile radius. You want everything to be there and you gooutside of that radice and it feels like it's outside of your home. I thinkexactly that's exactly right! Every you know I'm not going to sign my kids upfor anything, that's further than that, because it just takes too long, and sothen friends live really far. You just don't see hem that often, unfortunatelyno I know I know it had been a while, since we saw you guys, so it is hightime I'm glad you're willing to come. I have an awkwardly personal question foryou, a ready, I'm going to ask you. What is your worst habit? I have lots of worst habits, butprobably my my worst habit that I don't like right that I that I don't that Iwish I wish you could Av Chage wher she could startriht yeah perse is, is theneed to eat sometimes like a child like if there's gummy bears I'll eat anentiger bag of gummy bears, rather than just you know, maybe a couple likeeverage adult could have to and be done or no you're gon. I like an entire bag.So for Christmas I received an entire Amazon box of Sun KISSD fruit, gems,you, those are the worst you like those. I do that's not least fer handy. I hatethat I like them, so I generally don't keep them in the home. For that reason,because if I have them they're gone so e, I like Gummy, bears and gummy worms,but I hate those fruit jawlsdthere. It's like way too much gummy. Oh, Ilove their to big Tere, my favorite,...

...which is why I don't. I only have themonce a year. Have you ever had sugar free gummy bears that's gross. I it'sfunny because if you look up like the Amazon reviews for Sugar, free gummybears it's like an issue like, I guess they give people like raging diarhea.Oh, that I will not. No so don't we have don't be eatin those I should knowbetter than tho think you would eat anything sugar free though now, ifyou're going to eat it, just eet it yeah enjoy it yeah. I try to just youknow, go nuts and then don't eat it for a while, and then I feel the same wayabout soda, which I know a lot of people are going to disagree here, butI don't like Diet Soda. If I'm going to drink SOA, I want to be full sugarabsolutely goin to like it. I know you and I agree on this. We have that incommon and I don't drink it a lot, but when I do, I just want the real stuff.Yep same thing. Give me the full sugar a great totally agree. Okay, so tointroduce you I'm going to make some assumptions because there are a O. Iknow a lot about you, but there are some things I don't know right. So ittook me here is col cousin, known her for a long time, since we got marriedbasically a cold longer than you have known a foll longer than me. That'strue, but I feel like you like me better so well ever doesn't everyonetha? Yes, exactly good answer? Okay, so I'm going to guess that your favoritefood is pork barritos at cafhe Ro! That's agood guess! I like those, that's a tough question, because Igenerally like all food- and I'm very- I love all food- that's probably one of my favorites,but I love a good burger or I love a good pizza. Those would probably be mytop. I like that you qualify with good, because a burger can either be so goodor so bad absolutely and same with pizza. Absolutely I've had some gottabe Tortr, goodburger anyday. What's your favorite Burger place in thevalley? Well, I mean I love shake check right now right, so it's you know,they're building, one right by our house like two blocks from our house. Iknow it's so excite juss went through the other night. Ou Sti have to wait inthe in lines for hours in New York City and now there's going to be go an RonCorner, I know so know I do lit. I do love a shake check. Probably is it'sthe good every day Burger right, yeah I'll agree with you there I think,shake checks. The Best Burger, yes, we're GOINGNO agree we're going to goon that. Okay, segod one, your first job was at a movie. THEATER IS MY GUESSFALSE! Oh my real first well, my first job was cleaning my father's office.When I was way under age right I mean not a legalworking age, a you, Tan t go down and my brother and I would clean thebathroom vacuum all the offices dust everything. Did he pay you pretty wellor is it like? Here's a quarter? Oh No. I think he overpaid us ou quite a bit.I think he's like this is how you are in your allowance. I think it was hisexcuse to give us money but feel justified in doing so. Yeah Yeah. Weare probably the most well paid cleanurse at the time, yeah right. Whatwas your first real, like taxable job, my first taxable job was when I was, I tempt it was a like a okay yesy right.I worked for. I did that e summer yeah.

Yes, we both did that. Yes, I think when I was home from college, that'swhat I did for the summer. What kind of places did Mike Secretarial mustlyright that yea yeah? I mean always some odd, like I', go in and do projectsright. I remember always somer Sik, pure secretal and some were working on.You know we need you to clean up this project or put the yet together orsomething or sure temping is the worst. I didn't do it for very long. You knowit's only the only thing that keeps it fom, the worst. Is You if you hate it, you know it's shorter.That's true! Yo, like Wel thit'll, be done in a few days. Yeah, that's a goodpoint, that's great about it! Actually yeah, okay, favorite vacation wasvisiting us when we lived in New York City sure I guess nothing could hetbetter. Nothing could be better. That was a great trip. I have to say it wasreally fune. It was great because it was. It was cold in New York, whichthat's the only time I've been when it's cold there. I know we were able todo all the fun cold weather se went skating at Rockefeller Center. That wasreat central park for like a Halloween Festival. Was that best time R that wasreally great. I was Git glad to have that experience for sure fall in New II.That's a good answer, just say: Yeah, okay, what was yourreal favorite vacation? It's okay! Wait as I like you know, it's just like food.I like any travel right, whether it's close by I mean great vacation. That's like bigvacation would probably have been Greece where we did the Peloponnese andwe did the mainland where we drove and had no idea where we were. I love thatfeeling right where all the signs are literally in Greek. So you don't knowwhere you are Ani, I e all of groves and just you antroyhuh thats s right. Iany vacation without kids really is right, and then we went to the islandswhich are beautiful so nice when I was there, I was in Greece and I did thePelpanese, but I did it with like a tour like me and a bunch of adorableGrandmas, so you knew where you were at Al. I knew where I was at all timesthat was kind of a bummer and I wasn't. I didn't have the money I was likeeighteen, so I wasn't able to do any of the islands, so it was sad to be soclose, and now we able to go. SOMIMETHIS was probably one of my favery cool gorgeous and it's really once you're out of Athens right, it's soremote. I think it's could have this wrong, but, like ten percent of thepopulation lives out of the Peloponese, a very small portion compared to ARYRurle, yes, yes, yeah is gorgeous. I had to do it for a class. I was doingthis ancient civizations class robyu via field study when I was in nanny andBelgium, and I just had to do the course work. While I was there and thatwas the teacher had said, you have to go and see all of these ancient ruinsand then like write a peeper about it. It was like the coolest asss ever yeaTao. I was kind of great because I don't know that I would have gone thereon my own. You know I was trying to see all of Europe, but it's not the typicalgreace, which is, I think, what's so great about it. You see a little more.Yes, the right, exactl right, awesome. Okay, last one, your least favoritecollege class, I'm going to say, was microbiology. Oh, I didn't take anymicrobiology C MEA either, but it sounds horrible t sounds awful. Thatwould have been my least favorite had I...

...did ICU take it. That would have beenmiely Sparri for sure. Yes, absolutely was your least favorite class human,probably ironically, so I was a finance undergrad major, but probably my leastfavorite was the only real math class. I had to take, I don't remember what itwas, but I remember having to take it as like a sophomore junior, because Imissed taking it as a freshman, so I had not taken a math class in severalyears and it was the only one I had to have so then right there with hat greatmath, just math at all. Right, I think I mean I again. I was financed so it'sthat is funny silly that or I had to take an online cooking class tograduate which online cooking on Lincoln tuisting.They just did it all at home like, but it o I needed. I needed, I think twocredits to graduate, and I was all I was completely done and wanted to leaveand didn't want to stay. So he didn't online cooking class, interesting N.That was one of your least favorites. I think that'd be like well. It was justsort of it's Ot Roway, looking yeah, so it wasa little pointless. Yes, you know least pointless or least favorite. I Eeasys easy, maybe shuts a good face, but it was easy. I didn't have to takeany math classes at college and I'm so glad I think that's kind ofI chose my major of what would not require any math glasses because Ihated math so much and it was so bad different at a cledia level. I didn'tmind it and you know High School and Oh, I and I didn't mind my finance classesthat were more financed bace but the. But that makes sense like you liked,math well enough to choose finance as a major. I would never have chosen thingthat doesn't mean I n hetter all right well yeah, so I got a couple close atleast sur absolutely know me. I know you pretty well so yeah we asked Tofanyto come on the PODCAST, because we interviewed my friends, Rochelle IndJesica last week about their open aduption, which was this awesome storyand tiffany actually is a lawyer who specializes an adoption. So I calledher and said: Oh would you come on for like a followup, because there'sactually so much that I don't know about it still, and I have so manyquestions for you. So I hope you're open to answering all my randomquestions about aduption, but first I want to know like why didyou just did decide the study law in the first place like? Why did you wantto be an attorney? You know I grew up. My father was alawyer as a child, so you knew I was exposed to it a lot. I always assumedI'd, go to law school and had planned ongoing, and I right out ofUndergrad right before I graduated. I took the elsat sort of quickly and then graduated. While I was waitingfor results and I graduated in the boom right before the big recession. So jobswere, you know everywhere, entifal entiful, so I got into a job that Ithought I was going to love. You know that was really really fun high Pacte,you know working with a CEO and and kind of got on that track and kindof lost track of law school and then...

...stopped that job. You know, retiredfrom that job essentially, and had my first daughter and at that point Irealized you know Gosh. I need to do this now. I had thought: Maybe I'll goback when you know I have kids and they're older and I thought no. I wantto do it now and my els ets re actually about to expire O, and you don't wantto take that test. Agan O. No, so I take yeah. They have a five year so ithad been. I was hitting that fift year and I thought Gosh. I should just do it,so I was a what was sort of did it on a whim, honest, okay. I just thought Ialways knew I wanted to do it and knew I would get my lat agree at some point.It was never a question but just sort of went: Let's do it now. That's do notime like you know right, and so you have one child when you still had oneone year old or okay. I was, I believe, she's about eighteen months, probablywhen I started okay Gotcha and then what was your experience like attendingschool with a child? I always say it was the greatest thing, because Ireally appreciated it in the sense that I was. I was fortunate enough to behome most of the day and troy would get home from work. I jump in the car andyou know there's nothing like being a first time, mom and being home all daywith a baby to get in the car and listen to the radio or talk you know,do whatever you wanted to for that drive drive in to school and just tohave that free time and then to you know, sit through classes and it youknow, interact with other people and you know kind of have a differentidentity. It was fantastic. I actually really really enjoyed it. It was probably a good face to do it in,because you know I just had one she was young.She napped, I could study when she napped. I wasn't busy in a lot of otherways that I would be now, which is why I'm grateful I did it then, but yeahdefinitely didn't have like another toddler to entertain besides the clean,so that would help hot it was. It was the same for me a lot when I, when Ifirst had little ones. I was working and it was very valuable for me as wellto be able to be home and then also be working and the time that I was homewith my children. I made so much more meaningful because I knew that time waslimited and I wanted every moment with them to be taut. Absolutely it almosthelped me balance it more. In fact, yeah. I really enjoyed that first yearand a half that I was just home with my daughter, but I knew for me. I knew for it was something where Ineeded to get back to school and needed that other outlet right I meaneverybody's different and yeah. I mean I really really needed that yeah and itfilled up for me and you're right. I balanced I so much better and I think Iwas a much better mom, because I had that balance. I knew okay. This is mytime and then and then I'm leaving and- and I also think it helped my husband-a lot figure out how to be a dad, because I wasn't there doing dinner andyou know I wasn't there all the time and in fact my I remember very vividlysort of one of these moments where I had I had called him. I had about athirty to forty five minute drive down to school every night...

...ent four nights a week and I called himone day on the drivedown, and he just and this was after we had had a secondchild and he said he n e interrupts me and Jes says I gotta go the baby'scrying dinneris about to burn and he just was flustered and I not in an awful way. Maybe you're likethis is so good for him. I was like this is fantastic because right, thisis what Mama's feel all the time yeah and- and I think because often timesnot always but oftentimes. You know when there's an second parent to juststep in and juggle that with you. You don't feel that all that weight on youright that you have oftentime reit typically falls to the mom right, whereyou're juggling al o e of those things at once and ever since then. I reallythink that changed not only our marriage but our parenting, because hereally truly felt what it was like to do it all on your own and have tojuggle that without somebody to step in and help you yeah Colin, I had a some eexperience in New York when he was the one home with the new baby and toddler,and I was working and he yeah same thing like he was able to as to see howdifficult it is and how challenging it is 't. So he has such you know a biggerappreciation for what that takes, but also yeah. It's definitely good topoint out that it was always both of us sharing that nd. I don't know howpeople do it. If it's hat, it's would be so difficult on your own for sureabsolutely yeah, so Wu, yeah, okay, I have another question for you here.Let's see so you, you did school part time,nights right and then at what point? Did you sid? You wantedto specialize in adoption law? Was it early in school or later? You know, iit sounds a little bit cheesy, but I Ialways felt it right. I never knew where adoption would play a factor inmy life. I always felt Dr. you know I always felt really just drawn toadoption. Adand just thought. I don't know howthis will be a part of my life, but I just knew it would be, and when I was in school you know againalways just kind of drawn to it and there was an event for adoption calledNational Adoption Day, and I think it was probably my my sophomore or mysorry, my second year of law school and I thought Welli. You know I shouldvolunteer at this and kind of you know find out more about it, and it was. I mean it was a dundeal after thatright I mean it was all that I wanted to do and that sense that I didn't knowhow I was going to get there. But I just knew this is this is what I whantI'm really passionate about yeah and I really want to be in this field, and soI was fortunate enough to find my way there, but yeah yeah. So can you tell us aboutthe firm that you work for now like yeah, let's hear about so when I hatthe adoption event that I volunteered for I I went in a and I think gosh went in and then I ended up helpingtheir organize their volunteers. I...

...think the following year, but in thevery first meening that I attended for that volunteer opportunity. I met mynow law partner, Kathy, pigeon, who's, incredible and she's longed t himadoptan attorney here in the valley, and so I met her a point in her careerwhere she was looking to not step back a little bit but tofinally have some help. She had been soo for a long time as a lot of peopleare in this field and she had just kind had a point where she was looking thatmaybe you know with the right fit, and so when she met me, you know wejoke that it was just sort of you know meant to be where we just we justcollecte, I mean a partnership or you know in any business. It's reallysimilar to a marriage where you've got there's so many different connectionpoints you have to make greaht you can't just both. You know want to dothis. You have to be able to operate well together, and so I interned forher during while I finished law school and then came on as an associate afterI passed the bar and lunched right in right into practicing and then andyou've always been able to do it part time right, which would be o when Istarted, I did yeah when I started ated part time. I was in law school, so Iyou know juggled days here and there on the way to law school, and then Iworked parttime initially until then. You know I just you know merged intowhat I do now, which is more full time work. And then we partnered, oh gosh. Idon't know a couple years ago, so yeah it's been, it's been great andI think it's you know she was able to mentor me and I was able to come inwhen she was looking to not have all the pressure of being Asolo and it'sbeen, it's been a great working really and what's it like day today like doyou represent both parents who are placing and also parents are adoptingsure. So we do there's every adoptions different. So I work for I represent alot of adopting parents. Specifically, I do a lot of foster carework, sopeople adopting to the FOSTERCAR system, okay, which can be relatives,grandparents, aunts, uncles, brother sisters or you know, or traditional,the foster parents who who are adopting a child that they've been fostering andthen in private work. I represent adoptpeople who are adopting, or I represent birthmother, so people who are placingtheir children and I'll see them and het. You know I'll have birth motherswho come in and say I'm pregnant. You know help and I help them to find afamily to place their child with, and then you know sometimes they come to meand say I already know who I want to place with, and I just need yourepresentation that sort of thing Ajah. So a lot of people match on their ownand you know er family friends, things like that, and so they just needed meto come in and do that. You know the legal work and how does it work as faras fees like who pays the fees? How does that work so in a foster adoptionin Arizona at least so? Every every states different every sate's,completely different, fifty sets of adoption law, but in Arizona at leastour state. It's really nice. Our state...

...actually covers the legal cost toADOPTA foster child okay. So I love that because I don't ever have to builda clain in that situation. This I build the State Gotcha, which is great, and Idon't bill above what the state covers. So there's no kind of fees and then inprivate yeah. I, the adapting parents are the ones thatcover all lego costs, so they cover legal cost for the birth mother, sothey're the ones they're, not the client. The client attorneyrelationship is still with the with the birth mother, but the adaptive parentpays those lical fees, okay and they also pay medical fees, or is that thatvarieus case case such a in a good majority of the cases, the the mother is often on state access onour state, medical insurance or you know occasionally, they'll haveother on private insurance. But you know again the vast majority have or onaccess Oso, but if they're, if they're not covered, if there's like an youknow, then then, yes, typically, they would cover those Gotcha and I'mcurious. Do you do you feel that you knoweveryone who's? Placing or adopting should have legal representation? Is itjust very case by case you think you know? Sometimes it's absolutely okay.Absolutely, I think you know. Adoption is one of thoseareas, it's an interesting thing because everyone hears adoption andthey think it's all just sunshine and roses, and and oftentimes it can be. But it's also incredibly complex.There's a lot of nuances and you don't know, what's going to go wrong till itgoes wrong and I've even seen that where things will even come up nowafter all these years of practicing that that's a little bit new a littlebit different. But it's a really small area of law- and you know having having separaterepresentation, is pretty critical. First of all, you've got. You know, consent that the birthmothersigns that you know places the child officially with the family and the onlyway that those can be question as if they were taken, if t could be proventhat they were taken under fraud or diress or UNDU influence, and so havingrepresentation and place. Where that that mother had the opportunity to youknow, be counseled and be cancelled on her rights, I mean that's the reallythe only way to protect that and there's other things that you knowneed to be discussed. You know, will there be contact after the adoption and,and so I think, it's pretty critical- that she have her own ownrepresentation Yeah to discuss those things and typically the adapteveparents and birth mother are aligned, but not always, and so you know youwant to make sure that you work throughall of that. Do you eveer,represent both like no thato'd, be a complict deventerest e thea be aconflict and ethical conflict. So you you know you can't yeah, you can'trepresentle yeah. That makes sense, so you know you'll hear about where youknow. People go unrepresented and things like that, and that can happen,but in it's pretty rare that I wouldn'trecommend that both both sides have their own attorney yeah. I know we hadtalked about Richelle and JESCA's...

...experience and just how unique it wasyou know. Ideally, it would be amazing if everyone had such a positiverelationship and such an amazing open adoption. But you know I don't know that muchadoption and I still had the feeling that that would be very unique and thentalking to you youwere like yes, that's very unique. I be that Closeis yeah, Imean you know it's an ideal situation right. I mean that's what you hope, foryou hope that it's this great positive thing and for a lot of people it is the more often. What I see is that the biological mother oftenhom willsort of move on into another phase of her life and they'll, be some loosecontact, a lot of them. You know if they move states things like that onthebig SOM, loose contact and but they you know they kind of move on toanother phase of their life, but to see each other in person regularly. Youknow it can happen. I certainly see it, but it's not necessarily the norm. Yeahof every single day are you in ever in a position where you sort of councel orrecommend as far as openor closed adoptions, or how to do that? Or wouldyou refer them to like a counselor? How would that work? So I always recommend counseling forbirth, mother, okay, whether or not they take advantage of it. You know youcan't you can't force somebody to do that. I always recommend it closed. Adoption is really a thing ofthe past, particularly in our world, with you know, Internet and Facebook,and all of that, no, it's pretty rare that you actually have a true closedadoption. Where names aren't known. I've done one mm out of the you knowall of the ones that I've done typically they're open, but the thedegree of openness is what's what just it varies wildly right, so some it'sthat they'll send a photo and update. You know once once or twice a yearthings like that, so that so that you know the birth mom knows that herchild's okay and that he's growing here, she's growing up. Well, others, you know, have visits, otherssend, you know see each other at the end of the day,it's really up to the parties, it's really up to their relationship, and Itell people that you know we typically can put together something called thecontact agreement where we kind of outline look. This is what's to beexpected, and this is what everyone's planning on doing and we submit this tothe court and their court approved. But I always tell people look. This is abare minimum. Whatever relationship you're going to have is GIS going togoing to grow organically right between the trust between you, all and and forsome people that grows into something beautiful where they see each otherregularly, and you know talk and like your guests last week for otherpeople, it's a little more distant and for some, sadly, they lose contact andpeople move on. I will tell you more often than not: Itis the adopting family that is calling saying I can't get to hold on mybirthmom. You know everyone sort of goes into it. Thinking they're a littlebit scared. They are thinking that the birthmomeis going to come back and youknow stack them or something. I never see that I see in the reverse, wherethe adepting family saying Goshi. We just really want to get hold of her andwe can't give her updates and we can't...

...get a hold of her yeah. Do you everhave any regrets about going into adoption? Think maybe ther that are notso much no yeah? No, I love it. I mean it's. It's really hard at times. It's likeanything it's you know there are really difficultthings about it, but I genuinely genuinely love it. So you don't mindthose really hard things yeah right. It's makes it worth it. That's kind ofamazing that you've been able to find it's great yeah. I feel Yuver el, sopassionate about very, very lucky right. This is what you always. You know youwant to find something that you do in life that you feel really passionateabout, definitely so yeah and able to make it work with I mean you have fourkids now I or kids very funny be like you very fut, a million look, a couplemore other, no, no for Goh or kids yeah, yeah yeah and it works right. I mean Ifeel, like anything, that it's always a balance. I mean it's. Youknow I think everyone's kind of realize that you, you know, can't have it allright. You can't do everything at all times, but I feel like for everyone,and it took me years to figure this out. You have to find that balance of what works for you and what thingsyou're going to give up that are worth it and I I feel like I finally have gotno point where that anything I give up for my family. We get back in thatsense of yes, you know the flexibility that I have and it really you know, but it takes timeto figure that out. Yeah, definitely- and I know that we've talked about thisand you are able to really make the timethat you have with your kids more valuable because it's precious it's alittle more limited if you're with them all day. Every day the times when Ihave been with mine all day every day, sometimes I don't make it that valuable.You know, I don't really do anything that and because I'm like ah I've gotall day and then I've got all day tomorrow. So and it can, it can feelvery long when you're going to yes yeah so on ways, that's good, okay! Well, wehave this exciting opportunity because you andyour husband are here and so we're actually going to play the newly wedgame with you guy. I goon to be amazing, we're not so nearly wed, but the nut sonewly wed game, then Hatl be good and so we're going to go,get our husbands and we'll be right back Colan, troy, say hi hello, that wasquite sexy, so troy and I are sharing a microphone right now. I think I need atick TEC. Uncomfortably close. We have three microphones, I dopiteyou our ownand we are sharein, get to share all right, so we're going to play thenewlywood game. First, we're going to ask the guys two questions and we girlsare going to just think of our answer and you can't change it. Based on whattray says so col you can answer first, what is her favorite sport? So what isyour favorites yeah? That's easy! I answer right now. Yes, the volleyball,okay and troy. What is Tiffany's favorite sport?...

This is harder for soy yeah. I wasgoing to say the vollyball for Abbrey. I actually knew that answer. Can I tomine by Nie Wifes? Can I take a picture for the look on Choy's face right now? It's that's going on the ground. It's cause, it's because what he wantsto say: Kas Oin to say or two different things o. What do you want? So is Ballea sport? Okay, Belle. I think so. U Never have said that I did belly fromprobably can I guess what yours is Tiffany Yeah? Is it? Is it because I know you were a cheerleader in high school? That's asport! CHEERLEADING! We worked hard. I would say it's cheerleading, I, let's your yours, tiffany. What'syour favorite sport, so I was. I was going to say tennis,because that's the only one sport that I current a great sport. I did balletwhen I was from the ages of probably five to Thir traare. You aware thattiffany currently plays tennis. I did not know that you cury plac tennis, the last ed I we played was Prea thre. Well, let's not get into the detaileDet, but you guys can save this fight for the driv yeah w we ti o Gus playedpickleball. No. Okay, so if you to tennis, we needto lip, would love pickball and we should play we've been playing a lot.It's kind of like Ping, Pong meets pickleball and it's really fun we'llplay sometime. Okay! So second question so wait you were correct. Thank youthat one point for the carters, true Negativewhan, for the hills. It wouldbe zero rcore hereokayokay. So what will she say is the last thing you didthat made her really happy cool. When I made lunch for the kids today and troy, what's the last thing you didthat made tiffany really happy when I changed the baby's dirty diaper,yeah good, when be specific to day. Okay, good, that's good! If it's today,Yeah Tedo, you an any yes yeah yeah. I want to hear because, because I'm thinking thediaper change, that should be automatic. I agree I agree, so that's not, butwhat I thought should be making e sorry, I'm not helping you here, but no but it.But what was really great was this morning I woke up and I think it waslike nine o'clock, which is always pleasant right when you have kids,because he was out with the boys just hanging out with that lad. Ines and Ididn't even know they were, I didn't even know they had woken up, wow dad ofthe Damasayearnyeah, that's gigt. So for the record was it it wasn't thediaper change, then an now. Okay, THAT'S SHARE DUTI! So now that Nothe,you guys are negative to just noto. Wait, wait hold on hang on what,because wo made lunch averee. What's your answer, Ecause Otis could be azero. We could be e thinking. So what I had thought of was when you cleaned outthe fridge that is, like my lovely, Rich Aus, someone cleans out my fridge,but it's because that's just the last...

...thing that I was like. Oh that's burnedin my brain right, but lunch toay because it wasn't just sandwiches guys.He like got all the stuff and made all the toppings for them to makeindividual pizzas Lu. It's above and beyond els ot n intense. She got Otwill was like best dad ever was that kind of lunch, so that was big and thenhe did the dishes he cleaned up after two Ol, so dads are da to do the dishes.That's true ATS, a'L Shit I'll be a GA, but individual pizzas, that's likeAbovenbe, that is, that is thats allright an so final score. Carters,zero hills negative to we still win. That's IT STHE! I that's it now. Isthere one more question? Well, we have the girls questions now so ohoka. Whenis the last time he broke, the law do traffic infringements cous, like Isped the whole way down here. Oh R, answer for Tiffany, I mean trafficinfringements. If you can, that is breaking the law. The law is follow thespeed limit. Let's let hold on. Let's, let's expandas I like us, tryng to non traffic. Let's say: Traffic Infringements,speeding does not cam beating, doesn't count okay GEY, so it could have to belike big violation. I mean lots of speeding right. So can Ianswer yeah ou? Okay, please! I don't know that the last time you broke the law. I'M GOINGNA GO WAY BACK O. I like itright because really he doesn't break the lot off an doesn't break the lotoften and it's gtraphic stuff which hes boring, and nobody wants to hear that, but he he was arrested. He was arrested Hos here and he had. Ithink it was like a can. I stusellany charges, PRADUC okay hold on hold thanso thes story about the arrest. Can we save that for the next episode sure youguys share that Weninero? Can we do hear what it was mayben generally wantto that's. This is nothing teaser. This is a teaser. Okay, stay to now t hat efon out why troy was arrested. It was a classb Misdemeanor, Oh Dang it. Iexactly was that your answer? Yes Wha. You were GOINGTA, say now it'shis answer, yeah, because I really don't do too much to break the law.Okay, negative, so negative, wone to zero aubren. So you guys are similar inthat. Neither of you do much to break the law except that col never speedslike never. He goes exactly the speed limit interesting. If anything,sometimes a couple miles under it, it pays to be safe. It's Awefole! No, it'snot that bad, but then he will get pulled over for the most random, likedon't even really count. He got pulled over once for making like an illegalleft turn that really wasn't evenly illegal and the last time is what I'sgoing to say. The most recent thing is, he got pulled over for not leaving yourlane and entering your lane like he made a turn, and then he came into theMiddle Lane instead of the far left leg that is, who gets pulled off for thatabsolutely ridiculous and correct. I made a left hand turn and I pulled intothe Middle Lane. Instead of the left...

...lane and I got pulled over and that'sthe last time I broke the low, that's very dangerous just so you know, butit's still worth one point so negative one to one: Okay, last Questionn wit.That was your answer. Yeah Ur! Yes, we were together so yeah. I think they did.We really hadn't talked before, but that is the last thing they got. Youwere thinking of that one yes caunt, we should have made us write them down. BeNow were okay last one tiffany. What is the longest? Troy has ever gotnewithout showering, I'm going to say in his adult liferight. We don't Coue Yeah Yeah, Adult Life Howers, I'm going to say five days, because he does like some ofthese camp outs, engioneering and Sto Mountain man, things where they don'tshower. I think that was probably his longest when they hiked like MountWhitney. I'm going to go for that. Okay, my answer is like five hours, becauseCol showers like three times a day for some reason, like normally showers oncea day I feel like. I should got really accurately I'm going to amend it to saybecause Yeah we've been camping and things where there's just no showeravailable, but I still, I still think probablythree days is my guests. Longest, no shower all right. Boys oer answers, soshe is correct. It was camp. It was, while was doing a camping trip, but itwas at Mount reneer and we were doing the wonderland trail for five days andthere was no shower. Oh yeah, that five days, your right, that's pint. That'slike two points well, but if you had gotten the right mountain that would betwo pounds. One point o point: How many? How many days did you say? Ibra threesee I went with four a okay now, but usually like Canbi tithing right, soit's a Tai game, zero to zero. All rightoowithow long, have you beenMarriede Rofo, yelike, tit's, nothe, nut so newly wed game, but we're notanswering any better than newlywoods, but all right. That's all for thisweek's episode. Things are coming tiffany and chatting with me and AOM.Next week we're going Ta have troy, I'm goingto interview, Troy, and it's goingto be blastand we're going to hear about all about how he was arrested bythe way. There's a bbaby, that's in the room. If you've been hearing a thumpingnoise at all during the last five or ten minutes slapping his leg, that'sthe baby yeah! THAT'S THE BABY! Kicking the floor right by the microphone, soall right see Y next time.

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