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Episode · 1 year ago

S02E14: Grandpa Beck's Games

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Aubrey and Col interview Grandpa and Grandma Beck, the creators of Gnoming Around, Cover Your Assets, Skull King and other Grandpa Beck's Games. We learn about their family business and some of their favority family games. Turns out that Grandpa Beck has a bit of a competitive nature in him and he doesn't like losing. As always, we end the episode with a game... about games!

Welcome back to another episode of accidental parenting. We are so excited today we've got a very special set of guests again. Today we are interviewing the backs of GRANDPA backs games. Yeah, this is exciting. Do you guys want to say hello? Introduce yourselves? Hello, I'm Dampa back in. This is I'm from a back I love. I'm GRANPA Grama back, and we're going to start by asking you and awkwardly personal question. What I want to know is, if you had to choose one food and that's the only thing that you could ever eat again, what would you each choose? Well, I do from Connie's before even had the guests, is it would definitely be ice cream. Answer for her first. I love it. Yes, is that because I were discussing the possible things we like and I knew that one before she even nice knew it. But in our little games we have two recipes put in in the boxes because that's going to fun little unique thing. And Tony has some treat called chrispicks crunch. That's in one of our games. It's them around game, and now it's in our new doming around game. Okay, stuff is very addictive. It's a sadness, sweet and salty and a and tasty. It's you always have me when the friends are we always I eat it all myself. So it's so that would that's what you would choose. The crisp crust is pretty good stuff. That I couldn't real health right, but I was her homemade lasagna. I think it must be cauliflower. To seek cauliflower. Yeah, there, we didn't specify, but something that would sustain life. Just what you would do if the same life. This makes us really great las on you that I really love. That's far as real food. So I'm going to say this is a sign of a really great marriage, one you know exactly what her food choice would be into both of your choices were her recipes. So well done. Okay, we want not really a big cooker, but anyways. So I suppose say, yeah, but you make a mean lasagna. Do make some pretty good las on you. Okay, we're going to introduce you by making some assumptions about both of you and then if we're wrong, which we might be of course, you can just correct us. So first I'm good. You two met at a comic CON Convention. That would be incorrect thing I was hoping. All right, how did you meet? We grew up Kevin the same going to the same church. She was like five, and nephew it's younger. So different generation in the same so our families were friends. But when I got older, solely are and she grew up and we started dating wish series and school when I was in my twenties, and so things were start if his friends and I just progressed over time. Her Dad actually took flying lessons from me. I'M A I was airline Piwid for for forty years and and one of my first jobs was a constructor. Dad Two lessons and guys license with me and so we had kind of hung me out and in that capacity and then just frimily friends and progress one thing. They we started out just as we're really good friends and we had a lot of fun together and so and we had a lot of the same life schools and OK, all right, I'm gonna ask another one. I'm going to make another assumption about your first car. GRANDPA back, your first car was a Nova, and grandma back, I'm gonna Guess Your first car was a dotson. Oh my gosh, you're right, really, yeah, yeah, if I had a little, you would think I have somehow stock to you online to find out,...

...but I really didn't. This was way before there was online, which should have first started for the days peters, and think anyone would be hard pressed to find that information out online. Yes, it long, but my first car was a red Volkswagen bug. That would have really good. Yes, yes, until it so that's you know, I've often thought, and you don't see many of those Volkswagen bugs on the road anymore, but I thought, wow, that would be a really fun first car for our for our daughter who's fourteen, get a bore for us or for a son. But like no, no, that's awesome. Okay, let me do one more of this. I'm going to guess first job. GRANDPA back, I think your first job was mowing lawns, and grandma back, I think your first job was, let's see here, was like a car hop, right. That's like one of the like on Roller Skating, roller skate at like a little fast food place where you're like taking food out to people on Roller Skates. I really want that would have been so much fun because I do love to entertain people and them and take care of them. My first job outside of babysitting on housekeeping. My first real job was I worked at the government motorcole. I was a file clerk. Interesting, interesting, okay. And my first job fairly did some part time things. My Dad was a school teacher. We do this some partime, you know, clean up, put a warehouse and stuff and made this bag. Is My first real job was there was a private country club near my house that would I didn't belong to anything, but I was a dishwasher for a few years in the kitchen. They're never played golf there, right. I watched dishes and was a kind of its little bit of a chef stopper back when I was fifteen or so, and that was probably my first real job at that for a few years. Okay, Gosh, I was really far off on both of those. So at this point in time, yes, we were far off. Right, at this point in time, will guys introduced yourself right. I got one of them right. That's impressive. Will let you give us a little intro and before I do that, though, we know of the backs from GRANDPA backs games our family. As Aubrey mentioned, we love playing games. At the end of every podcast we play a little game together and we'll play when with you today. But we came across GARRAPA backs games. We thought this is such a cool company that you've established, that you've created, getting families together playing these card games as as groups, and we play them with our friends and we thought this would be a really fun interview. So let's let's give you an opportunity just to get us, let us get to know you a little bit better. Tell us a little bit more about yourselves. Well, we we've been married for almost forty years now, kind of. We started off living in the in the Seattle area, and we both, like I have five brothers. Tawny has two sisters, so we very family oriented. I spent like say, forty two years as a pilots just retired this year due to the pandemic. I was able to try a little bit early because as they wanted to avoid laying off some of the year. Guys and so know. I I flew about twenty nine thousand hours a fine around the north, North America to Hawaii mostly. We were very family focused. We spent every time conceivable activity with the kids over the years with band and PTA and come scouting and boy scouting and and having parties at our house to keep the kids anxiously engaged and we were very much working our whole years, you know, raising the kids and very focused on that. All of our kids are adults and married now. Between they have between two and five...

...kids each. We have seventeen grand kids all together. It's grand. They are all working hard and being good citizens and good parents and we're very honored that our kids have all run to be responsible, productive adults and they're all striving and they're all being good parents and and that's a great blasting and we enjoy all kinds of we did a lot of camping with the kids over the years and and adventures and we didn't travel to exotic places. We've got the kids out to a lot of historical sites and did a lot of road trips and tips the beach and things. So we have a lot of fun times in different fans of Campers. We had a volks back and bug one point and a popped top camper and then travel trailer and just a lot of fun activities. And we live in the North West where there's mountains and there's lakes and there's rivers and ocean and so it's a variety of places to go and explore. I feel like I know your kids a little bit because the pirates on your skull King Gamer based on them. Right. Yes, the five pirates are illustrations of our five kids. and then tony is the Tigris, the special card that has the woman's progative between the win or lose. Yeah, he has. That's called the woman's progretive card. That's my favorite card. Yeah, that's a good one to have. Save it to the end. You never know. skulking escape or a pirate? Yeah, yes, I'm the skull King, which in the original game was invincible, but now with the Mermaids, I'm no longer in that's right, all right. And and technically the kraken. Right, Yep, yes, you never's going well, they's right. The cracking of the mermaids were added in the in the expansion. The MERMAIDS are one daughter in law and then our artist is the other. Is the other nice of the mermaids, and that was how people for fund that. The crack is my mother, mom. This is the job. She's more our listeners, for our listeners who have not played the game skull king, we can get more into that on another episode, but go check it out and you'll get a good kick when you understand what the crap. Yeah, if you haven't played it, definitely gotta go get it as the greatest game. It's so fun. So yeah, we want my mom is a really nice way to just putting it in there. There perfect great disclosure there. Yes, okay that. We want to know more about how you guys came up with GRANDPA backs games. Like how did that happen? You know, how did you come up with the idea to start a business and were there any stumbling blocks along the way? Well, about after two thousand and eight mancial set back. A lot of the airlines were going bankrupt and they were cutting pensions and they were cutting took a big pay cut of that time, about forty percent of pay cut, and so we were looking for something to add stability to our financial picture and I tried a couple real estate adventures before that. Luckily I sold them before that crisis. But so I we had this we learned of this game with face cards, regular standard cards, had a golf team to it that our daughter learned and it was a great game. But I thought you so much better if it was illustrated, if it had a better mix in the cards, if it was optimized and if it was faces value scoring. And that was kind of the impetus to be able to take this game we loved and make it better by having illustrations and improved way to play. And but I mean it was really hard to get start. We thought about this for four years theoretically, and then we tried to work with different artists and and everything was bad. It was hard. We had a hard time getting it started. The first print room we dider, but actually, after I was designed, was totally defective. We have basically trash that whole said. Sorry, I know one time I called I had a question about skull king actually, and I called the customer service number and you answered. It was like, GRANDPA, back year, I was like what, Oh my gosh, I couldn't sleeve. You know you were answering. Instead of some kind of awesome I'm like, I love but that it's a small business. And GRANDPA, that's how I found...

...out that your kids are the pirates. We like chatted for a few minutes. You probably don't remember that game. You answered these calls from random beetle myself phone numbers on the bottom of the boxes and we we printed was sold two eighty five thou last year with myself when number on them. So few people have your number goes. That was two hundred and five thousand just in the last year and two thousand and twenty, wow. And then we sold other Fiftyzero through a licensing agreement in Europe. So three thirtyzero all together last year. That's awesome. That is amazing. So take me back to so two thousand and eight is when you kind of ventured into this with that GRANDPA x golf game, which, by the way, I had played that with face cards growing up, and then we bought the GRANDPA back day a month. This is so much better, like kind of some added rules. I'm like you said, the illustrations on the card. It creates more of an experience. Yeah, definitely, that's what we said. We have that game from actually started to start selling until actually two thousand and twelve to four years after we start the company, to actually have a product to sell. Okay, and after after seven years of actually after eight years of having that game and now having seven games, the golf game was our seventh best seller of the seven, and so we just re released it as moming around with a lot of new twist, a much more interesting art and so that game was our founding, founding game, but now we've retired it and made it anoming around as much better game that. The inside story is that. You know, when we're first imagining this, Tony said you really should have a different name than golf. That's that's not going to be a good theme. It's whatever that I was a lot of people don't like golf. Yes, we found the school to golf for for families, but not golf enough for goers, and so I shouldn't follow advice ten years ago. But we've initially fixed this year and now it's so much better game with the noming around. But she and our just really the great job of bringing in all these really cool, imaginative aussilenomes in the bitture. That's how smart, because I love that golf game, but I play with adults, it's true. I don't know if my kids would like it as much, but gnoming around like that really pulls kids in these great graphics. It's just a more fun engaging game in that way. So that's so smart. To reimagine it and rerelease it. Yes, and doing so well too. That we're doing. We added, we added some fun to spend to it and it's that's done really well. It's pretty exciting. It was on a list of one of the top twenty new games and in two thousand and twenty by a reviewer group recently. Now that's great. That's right, especially now that thousands of games are getting released every year. Yes, thousand, some thousands of them. Yeah, we were really naieve when we started this whole thing. As like. It's probably a good thing, because I don't think we would have had the carriers to do it if we if we had known things long. That's a good point. A lot of entrepreneurs fill that way. I feel like. If they, if they really understood how much was out there, how much competition, how difficult that we're going to be, they might not get started in the first play. So maybe that's a good thing you didn't know. Yeah, it was. I'm glad we I mean, I'm really glad we did. It has been a fun experience in some ways that are frustrating experience in some ways, but it's been a good journey for us to take together. Definitely interesting life experience, not always easy, but an interesting one. Yeah, what how did you decide? Like the second game, when you move from golf to another game, expanding to making the company bigger? How did that work? We'll cover your assets again. Began with some of the showing us a face card game that was similar and it is tunny side. She says this is a great game and we give we might find a lot. We made a thematic and that game, though some people I played it was really nowhere near as well known as the as the basic theme of the Golf Games,...

...but for unique and it's it is very unique play. It's very simple to play but engaging for all ages and engaging to play many times. So it really is the perfect storm of a game that can cover a broad demographic which is really one of our our goal in making games, ones that little kids can enjoy, parents and grants can all enjoy together, because that brings the generations together and we love see the pictures of whole wide range of ages enjoying time together. It really makes them feel good. That's it's really interesting. With cover your assets. I don't know the the original game and face card game that that's based off of, but I'm trying to think of what it could be. I can't even imagine playing cover your assets space cart with normal cards. It's so much but it's in broad weather. We have really right about all ages. We've played that with our very young kids and it's such a great game for teaching killed kids to like to be a good sport, because when you steal, you know their top cards are. Kids would get so angry and cry and we're like, okay, you know, this is great, this is teaching them. I now we play with them and it's just it's no mercy. I will steal their top cards if they're not covered, if they're not protected. It's this is true. Kids need to learn to roll with the punches a little bit, to know that they can't win every time. There's going to be a chance to come back, to get behind, and so it really that way. Those is not real as far as the values or anything right. It does these people to kind of not be so sensitive, you know, and and to not be quite so easily noted by things are going their way. So what were some of the Games that you played with your kids growing up? You mentioned you spent a lot of time with them withoutdoors, camping, scouts, sporting activities. What were the sum of the Favorite Back Family Games? I really loved Millbourne some time I was a kid and even with our kids that was a favorite and we played a lot of phase ten and rookie games with rookie P payl kinds of games. We played risk quite a bit for a while. I got banned because I got little to emotional, but I got a way to make the work, because if you play with four players and instead of playing to win the whole world, if you if you play to win three of the four capitals and you give yourself double armies every time instead of so kind of stell raised the game, then you can play a game about forty minutes and it's okay. Doesn't drag cons along. So that's a good way to make risk not quite so painful. Yeah, that was always the one that I stayed away from as a kid. I'm the youngest of four kids and I usually got beat up pretty badly in the risk and monopoly categories. Yes, are you going to tell him why that game was banned? It's got to a too much arguments, because some kids we get to no no, that is not why. That's not why. I think we made the real story. Let's hear it. Go ahead. The front and I are playing risk together and we decided that at midnight the game would be finished and whoever went to head win. Okay, all right. So it was brunt's turn. He knew I was going to blast am out of the water on the next turn, I was going to totally take over, and so he just he looked at the clock. That starts still like ten minutes or something, so he just wouldn't take a start. No, no, no, no, we're not that amazing. Such a funny story. Very good to me. I need to go get a drink of water. I'll be right back. That's great. No, it sounds very competitive. So Aubrey's family very competitive gamers in nature and they've got some great stories about similar not not exactly that similar, that exact story, but you know, the family's cousins, aunt's uncles leaving in the middle of the night because there was an argument over a...

...game. It gets intense really, oh dear, but playing games really taught us to be a good sports and as soon as the game is over, we're competitive during the game, but once it's over, you're happy. For however, one there's no anger, does nothing but build good relationships for it, and I credit that to playing games so much as when we were kids. Yeah, I want you to know that I laugh about that story. I just think it's really, really funny. I don't want to. I found the game for a little while for Brotty, but I still play it with them. So, but the optimal real man work better. So yeah, Nice. So game. Have a feeling at your fan base is getting pretty big now with many games you're selling. I'm wondering, you know, are you still able to personally respond? You're still putting your cell phone number on games, or is it becoming too much? Well, we actually in our new we've kind of gone through a a graphical refresh on the Games. We're working, working on that still, but the new packaging is much more even forward about my availability. Before it just the bottle of box. Now it actually says called it the back. You like to talk to you, and so I actually putting myself out there in a bigger way. But I do get lots of calls and tax and emails. For the Christmas weekend, the four days I got a hundred twenty text messages or more than that, and about fifty phone calls and emails. You know that I respond to. Over the Christmas weekend, which was kind of crazy, but in some people called just because they want to say hi. Some people some natures of them playing, which I love to see. Other people call with it actual question. You're luck. I'll just call and see if I'm going to actually answer the phone. Yeah, but occasionally to sleep or I'm driving a car or or in a restaurant where I can't answer. Sometimes I can answer right. I always try to respond. I really do try and answer everybody's question calling and it may get to a point people tell me I'm crazy to you can try, but I do try to be responsive and I really do enjoy the chance to visit with people and to learn about their enjoyment of the games and to hear how they've SI. People tell us they they just have had so many fun times player Games. That just makes us feel honored were able to be a part of their of their time and because really it lives. So many things you do that you have to do, like you have to go to work and you have to well grass and you have to cook food and to Londry, but sometimes when you can sit back and put all things away and interacting together playing games a special time and so rest to be a part of that peak hours of time is a very big promised for us. We both love peaceful and so it's probably one of our favorite parts of the whole business as having a chance to talk to different people and and I wish I we could sit around the table and play games. So all of all people who call, it's so fun to talk every friends call from the guy from good. We have friends here in Arizona who met you at Pinterest pinners conference here at West World and they like texted us immediately because we had played grandpather. We just met GROWP up back there. Were so impressed with how friendly you were and they were so excited because they are like Selfie with you. Made it on your instagram and it'd be like you are, you know, for your getting to that famous, you know, level where people recognize you and they're so excited to run into you and take a Selfie. How's that been? Is it? You know, I know you love people, but are you getting recognized more and more? It isn't often happen when I'm not at a show, but people I wear this bowler hat when I'm shows because it's kind of my look and and so people recognize me from that. But it is fun when people come up to me and say, Oh, we just we we play your games lection we just have this connection. You know, it's just it's a really unique thing to have this opportunity to have this...

...connection with people around the world and for them to really value our involvement in their in their time. It's really a unique, special kind of little opportunity to reach out to people and to be a connected with people, which is very unique. And I get a phone call a day from a guy can Kuwait and a person from South Africa called me and and it's got email the day from a guying career had a question, and so it's it's a big world, but it's really interesting to make these little connections and when we make friends of people at shows and things, it's I'm a people person. I really enjoy being people and it's just really a special thing to be able to be a part of people's lives in such a weird way, but but in in a little way, to be able to be a part of those lives. But such a problem. Way Right, you're helping people have these positive, amazing experiences with their families. So it's great. We are very honored. We're not we're not looking for it, like we're just normal people. We don't want anybody to feel worried about us, to just want to be friends with everyone. Yeah, and how fun it's like. I don't like it when people put us on any kind of pedistal thing. It's sorcer or normal people. We like to meet people and talk with Com and share stories and hear about their families. It's like that's that's what's most important to us. Well, if it makes you feel better that that story about GRANDPA back delaying the risk game takes you off of the heather. Your back on even playing field that everyone else. All right, we're off the yeah, there you go. There you go. We're just normal. But we try to put how to play videos on the website so people can get the questions answered and I've had one little one little guy in New York that's called me like four times in the last two days with questions about one of the Games and I I've been helping him, but I wish you would watch the video. That's well and get the more you sell, the more it's going to get to that point where, okay, is there an online customer service presence and managing and maintaining that? I guess that takes me to my next links to those videos. Yeah, my next question is this is very much a family business. Your kids are characters and some of the Games. Are Your kids involved in other aspects of the business right now? Yes, our youngest son and his wife pioneered the concept in the development of antiquity quest. Okay, our oldest, second oldest son, is the mastermind behind cover your kingdom and bears and bees and he's a lot of work for us and helping us to do this, all the work the last couple years of improving the quality of the game and the the printing. He's really helped us to bring lots of new talent and he is most of our rule right now because he's really improved that, which is hard to do really. Yeah, he's really been helpful to that. And our youngest son's wife is to our office manager. She has most of the invoicing and all the kind of office stuff that I'm not that good at and she's much better at and she enjoys it. What I did because I had to now because I liked it all. And Yeah, our oldest daughter, Lonnie, that is the are. She manages all of our facebook and instagram stuff and and and then all the kids help out wherever they can, in different ways. But those of them was testing as a family, but was at the most actively involved in actually functions where we have them on the pay roll. And but we when we have a couple years ago we decided to make it so that all five of our kids are five percent shareholders, and plus our artist who did most of the art work for all the Games, she's a five percent shareholder as well. And we put times folks down as well, just to help them out in their old age. So she's kids. All she gets these your old here, except for him falling her the cract and right. So tell them that hopefullys. I was in this podcast which is more that story. But yeah, we'll make sure less l she hasn't good podcast much, but I will give your email address or anything. But yeah, but, but the kids are all excited...

...and it's really great to be able to help them out like one our youngest daughter's husband is in dental school and they had pretty kind of old are looking forward to having the third baby. So the profit sharing film last year allowed them to go out and buy a decent car that's uniform. So yeah, that's that's really cool. So with all of that, what is and you've talked about potentially redesigning and updating, going through that process of updating some of the Games, but in general, what is the future look like for GRANDPA backs games? Well, we've been very blessed and started off with the wishing to prayer and a hope and no know, it's anything and was at one point. It was a six figure loss before we turn the corner. But we are very productively enjoying the growth of the Games by likes. We grew by sixty five percent last year and January this year was up sixty five percent of the year before. And so we and we have new distributors and Australia, New Zealand, UK and Games first now being done in Korean, in Japanese, and a lot of things coming up. And it's a big world. As a big country, we have new games, we have new games in the works. So you know, we just have lots of fun things coming up, both in getting the Games we have out more widely, but also getting adding new games. We don't want to add games until they're absolutely ready, and so we will probably not add games that rapidly because we really have to make sure that the perfect. We want to make sure everybody can trust that they buy one of Graphics Games going to be a winner, not going to be any and any non performers and they grew up, hopefully, for sure. Yeah, can you give us a small snake peak about something that's in the works? Well, we've had the idea for quite a while to make a game that was kind of opposite of cover your assets, and we have one that we've been working on that we haven't quite got done. That's a kind of a cool and we have a couple of the games that are in the in the working stages, and some other proposals. I'm getting more and more people in time who who come to me with games they already have. Oh Yeah, mine think that they want us to produce. So far, all the Games we've made having ones that have been originated in our family. We haven't gone outside to other contributors yet, although we've had several people come to us with ideas, but we haven't done it yet. Yeah, that makes sense. We have. I mean it's not that easy to get started, as you found out, and so I could imagine a lot of people saying, can I just give you my idea? Thanks. The game for us, do all the hard work for us. Yeah, it's it's much like we did a kickstarter for one game, the the first skulking game, about seven years ago now the time those three and fifty games competing that same month on kickstarter. We did a kickstarter, you know, a half ago, for a cup of your kingdom and there was thirty Fivezero Games on Kickstar. Same time. There was five thousand card games that month, and so that's a hundredfold increase in seven years in the number of games on Kickstar, which a lot of this one place, but but this is crazy amongst all those thousands and thousands of games that we have been able to establish any kind of traction. I'm just amazed still that we have anything going on out of all that competition. So we're so blessed. It's just really kind of a crazy thing to imagine that we did. Because I had no background in anything re live. I was an airline Piad, you know, but it was something that we had the audacity to try and and now we're having fun little experience from how great. Yes, it is an amazing story, such an awesome success story, but I'm also not surprised, like there's a reason that we personally own so many grandpa backs games. They are so engaging for kids and for adults and they're just really fun, all of them. And I can tell that you have been really smart about every game that you have put your weight behind. You know, it's not just any game that...

...you throw out there hoping it'll work. You're all great games. Anybody listening out there check out these games. Were mentioning Skull King, cover your assets, cover your kingdom, Golf. These are all great well golfs. I'm glad we have it now that it's not being ready anymore around noming around. You got it. Likes item. Yeah, an, thank you both again for taking the time to meet with us today to let us get to know you a little bit better. We we'd like to wrap this conversation up with a little game. This is going to be a trivia game about games, and I'm gonna let you take turns on answering. So first this question is for were the backs. I'm going to read a description of a game and you have to try to tell me what game it is, if you can. Yes, abbready has an opportunity to steal. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So the game is there has been a murder at the body mansion and it's up to you to find the culprit. There are six suspects and you are one of them. Move your game piece through the rooms and secret passageways of the mansion depicted on the board game to look for hints. What is the name of the game? Like clue? That sounds like clue, but I wasn't about the name of the mansion. But very said it is clue. I was the same thing. I'm like the body mansion, what is I think it's yeah, I think that sounds like an adult game. You got it, clue. Very good. Okay, so this one is for Aubrey. So that's one to zero. So far right, are we? Has No, this is a giant word jumble game with endless possibilities. Players are given a set of wooden letter tiles. To begin. Each letter tile is assigned a different point value. I'm going to stop there and see if you scrab all a very good scrub going to be boggle at first, because you know how much I love Boggle, but then it's it is hap was not back. Could I tell you a little it's a little story about scrabble. These do put it only even ends in a midnight argument where scrabble was canceled for a better this has a better ending. When we were dating, we played games, sometimes with her folks, and one night we were playing a game which I had kind of set up at a time where where I had arranged the tows for I could selectively pick the right letters and scrabble to be able to spell something out. And and and so what happened is when tonny first drew her cards, she said that, well, I could spell my name with the towels I drew. So we broke the rules and let her use her name to start the game and then, as the game progressed, I was able to spell in there the word Mary me. That had a question mark that I'd made up, and so in the game it said Tony Marry me and I put the question mark down proposed to her on the scrabble game. Are you years serious pose with scrabble? Yes, so good, probable. Who knew that we would ever be selling games later on in our lives? But it's so appropriate. I was going to say there's no way it can be a better ending than the other one, but I was right. That officially is there at her ending. Wow, that's fascinating. The problem is Tony's death. That always told her that she can't have anybody proposed without having got her authorization first from their dad, and she didn't know that I got an authorization for her dad or not. So when I asked the question, she was like she was sure she can answer because she wasn't sure if I had permission to ask for not. But that's awesome. But they were so they were totally in on and they they knew was coming up. But but there was. But we have a picture of that sitting in front of that scabble board somewhere in a scrapbook. Very Fun. All right, on to the next question. This is for the backs. In this too person game of strategy, players secretly arranged there, and this is going to give it away. Their ships at also letters battles. Yes, here a good, and maybe I made the clue too obvious, but yes, I just played. That was flagrants last resent. Awesome. All right, I'll reread this. Next one is for you. I did. They didn't get it. Feel like they should get a ding. They needed. Oh yes, I dude. There we go. That was a quieted.

The last thing I did was really loud, so I were quiet when that time. Okay, Pun I've read. This one's for you. Two teams take turns trying to guess as many of the ten answers to a topic on the cards. Boy, as bonus points can be earned by guessing a target answer determined by a die roll. First team to sixty points wins. Oh, this is a little harder. Out Burst, it is out verst. That's a great game. I'm shocked. We played a lot of outbursts growing up and I saw to grab a back. You had that on your instagram right. If you can find an outburst at a garage sale or there sir, pick it up because they're hard to find. That's true. Yeah, we had the UP. We had the regular version and also the kids version. We still have it, but we play it now. The questions are so, you know, kind of play kids. They don't know stuff because it's all came from the S or whatever. So yeah, yeah, okay, so this somebody's ever going to adder real us again because we talked too much. No, no, this is good. This is all very good. We told so many people we were interviewing grammar back and grandpat Graham and grandma back. I guess the best. All right, one more question for the backs and one more for Aubrey. For the backs, it's a race to find as many unique word combinations as possible in this fun game consisting of sixteen six sided letter dice in a sixteen square tray. Scramble the letters. It is bottom you know your games very good. Guys like boggle. No one will ever play with me because no one can be I love dames. I just think there's so much fun. I love forever put that one. I haven't played that one an eons. I have a really hard time playing word games against Aubrey because she just she it's just not fun for me. It's not fun. I totally enjoys it because she always wins too. So every you and I just have to play together. Yester, for Christmas last year I bought her a really Nice scrabble game. That's a wood one, you know. It comes to a wooden box and it's really the deluxe, like the most deluxe scrabble game I could find. So we have that two me memorial as a yeah, beautiful fiction of that. So okay, last question here for Aubrey, and I'm gonna shorten this description because I think it might give it away. Eating utensils are placed in the center of the table, within reach. Eating your ten years and spoons. Very good, little like a match coup right. Our kids always want to play catch coop. There's lots of options. Well, GRANDPA and grandma back, thank you so much for being on the podcast today. We're excited to get this published out there and share the story, in the message of GRANDPA backs games with all of our listeners. We Love Your Games, we love the thought behind them, we love that we can communicate and collaborate and socialize and grow together as a family when we play them and with friends. It's just it's this is a really fun opportunity for us to be able to chat with you. So thank you. Yeah, can you share really quick your where can our listeners find you as far as on social media? Or a website. Yes, we have active instagram and facebook accounts on have a Hashtag in front of you. But if you go to our website's grand pubacks Gamescom. Okay, for the first page of the website, there's a place you can sign up and be on our mailing list and you also get a fifteen percent discount coop on if you if you sign up on that mailing list and the instagram and facebook page links are on that as well. That best way. Just go to GRANDPA backs its Gamescom and and give these questions. Give me call, give him a call and text him. Yeah, gonna answer perfect all right. Thank you both so much. It was wonderful to meet you and enjoy the rest of your day. Yeah, thanks, guys. It's been a pleasure, really fun to talk to you. Guys, after talking with you, thank you so much for thinking of us.

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